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14th August 2008 Charles J. Brown
12:52 pm

Picking a Fight with Glenn Greenwald


I’ve always respected blogger and attorney Glenn Greenwald.  I haven’t always agreed with him, but I thought he was a valuable voice in the blogging community — and an important champion of civil liberties in this country.

I don’t respect him anymore.  Yesterday, he mounted a major hatchet job against Morton Halperin, suggesting that his supposed shift on FISA was the product of some sort of misplaced ambition.  I think it’s a scurrilous attack, and completely unjustified.

I should state three things up front.

First, I know Mort. I had the opportunity to work with him at the State Department during the Clinton Administration, when I was Chief of Staff to Assistant Secretary Harold Hongju Koh in the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor (DRL) and he was Director of Policy Planning.  That said, I neither contacted nor consulted him before writing this post.

Second, I respectfully disagree with Halperin on the FISA bill.  I do not think that he should have supported it, nor do I think that Congress should have passed it. So the purpose of my post here is not to defend Halperin’s decision to support the bill, but rather to condemn Greenwald’s ad hominem attack.

Third, as I have acknowledged repeatedly in this blog, I am one of 300-odd “informal foreign policy advisors” to the Obama campaign.  I don’t know whether Halperin is as well, but it wouldn’t surprise me.  There are more than three hundred of us, after all, and if he is like me, he occasionally fires off memos to key people in the campaign.  That’s what informal policy advisors do.

In his post (and in the transcript of his Salon Radio interview with Halperin), Greenwald lays out his brief like a prosecutor who has only circumstantial evidence on which to build a case.  At the core of Greenwald’s argument are two events:  a June 9, 2008 letter opposing a version of the FISA bill sponsored by Senator Kit Bond (R-MO), which Halperin allegedly signed on behalf of the Open Society Policy Center (OSPC); and Halperin’s July 8 op-ed in The New York Times, in which he came out in favor of a different version of the FISA bill as “our best chance to protect both our national security and our civil liberties.”

But instead of paraphrasing, let me reproduce Greenwald’s core argument:

What made his Op-Ed particularly confounding was that a mere one month earlier — on June 9, 2008 — Halperin had signed a letter on behalf of OSPI, [sic] also signed by numerous other civil liberties and advocacy groups, in which he expressed steadfast opposition to the FISA “compromise” (which was then known as the “Bond compromise,” after GOP Sen. Kit Bond). A copy of that June 9 letter opposing the FISA bill, which Halperin joined on behalf of his group, is here (.pdf).

[snip]

Manifestly, there was only one meaningful change that occurred between Halperin’s June 9 opposition and his July 8 support: namely, it was in that interim — on June 20 — that Barack Obama announced that he would support the FISA bill, and many have speculated (and it is just speculation) that Halperin, who has served in numerous administrations over the past four decades (beginning with the Nixon administration) and is eager for a high-level appointment in the Obama administration, offered to give Obama cover by coming out and supporting the FISA bill even though, only weeks earlier, he had vigorously opposed it. Lending even stronger support to that hypothesis is a document I obtained that Halperin wrote and which Obama’s office circulated to numerous Democratic Senators, dated June 22 (only two days after Obama announced his support for the bill), in which Halperin heaped praise on the FISA bill and urged Democratic Senators to support it (Halperin’s June 22 memo to Senators is here).

[snip]

Halperin clearly decided to repudiate his own opposition to this bill in order to offer himself up to Obama as the public shill supporting the bill, so that Obama defenders could gain cover for themselves by saying things like “even life-long civil libertarian Mort Halperin says this is a good bill.”  [Emphasis from original.]

So Greenwald would have us believe that Halperin’s naked political ambition has led him to violate his principles in order to curry favor with the Obama campaign.

Let me start by picking a couple of nits, not for their own sake, but to demonstrate just how sloppy Greenwald’s argument is.  First, Halperin was the executive director of the Open Society Policy Center, not President of the Open Society Policy Institute.  Second, Halperin’s service began not with the Nixon Administration, but rather the Johnson Administration, in which he served as a Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense.

Now let’s move on to Greenwald’s most important piece of evidence:  the June 22 joint letter that Halperin allegedly “signed. . .on behalf of OSPI” was in fact an institutional sign-on letter.  If you go to the PDF, you’ll see that organizations signed, not individuals on behalf of organizations.  This is an important distinction because when it is an institutional signature, it signifies that the organization, not its head, supports a position.

I wouldn’t split this hair, except that Greenwald uses it as supposedly devastating proof that Halperin opposed FISA before he supported it.  But the fact that OSPC supported a position is not in any way, shape, or form evidence that Halperin supported the position. I have yet to work for an organization with which I agreed all of the time.  Sometimes you set aside your personal opinions and act according to what the institution decides is its best course of action.

That means that Greenwald has no real evidence to prove his core allegation:  that Halperin changed his opinion between June 9 and July 8.

Perhaps the best example of the weakness of Greenwald’s case is the transcript of his interview with Halperin.  Greenwald approaches it not as a conversation or debate, but as a prosecutor dealing with a hostile witness.  He repeatedly tries to get Halperin to confess to the sin of ambition.  Not surprisingly, Halperin refuses to engage, and the interview falls apart.  Greenwald then cites Halperin’s refusal to debate the minutiae as further evidence of his alleged careerism.  It’s a circular argument, and not even a good one at that.

But Greenwald isn’t content with abusing the facts; he also thinks it’s necessary to make ad hominem attacks.  He states that Halperin has “served in numerous administrations. . .beginning with the Nixon administration,” as if Halperin is some sort of secret Republican who once served for that paragon of secrecy and deceit.  I could easily defend Halperin from this, but it’s better to let him do it himself.  This is the section of his NYT op-ed that discusses his service in the Nixon Administration:

When I was on the staff of the National Security Council, my home phone was tapped by the Nixon administration — without a warrant — beginning in 1969. The wiretap stayed on for 21 months. The reason? My boss, Henry Kissinger, and the director of the F.B.I., J. Edgar Hoover, believed that I might have leaked information to this newspaper. Even after I left government, and went to work on Edmund Muskie’s presidential campaign, the F.B.I. continued to listen in and made periodic reports to the president.

I was No. 8 on Richard Nixon’s “enemies list” — a strange assemblage of 20 people who had incurred the White House’s wrath because they had disagreed with administration policy. As the presidential counsel John Dean explained it in 1971, the list was part of a plan to “use the available federal machinery to screw our political enemies.” My guess is that I earned this dubious distinction because of my opposition to the Vietnam War, though no one ever said for sure.

Greenwald never mentions any of this.  He doesn’t say that the information Halperin allegedly leaked to the NYT was the Pentagon Papers the Nixon Administration’s secret bombing of Cambodia.  He doesn’t acknowledge that Halperin refused to let Nixon, Kissinger, and Hoover intimidate him; in fact, he sued Nixon and won the case.  He doesn’t note that Halperin was on Nixon’s enemies list.  Those are no small things.  Instead, Greenwald merely says that Halperin worked in the Nixon Administration, which in the insular world of progressive blogs, will be read as an indictment.

Greenwald goes on to claim that Halperin, “eager for a high-level appointment in the Obama administration, offered to give Obama cover by coming out and supporting the FISA bill even though, only weeks earlier, he had vigorously opposed it [emphasis in original].”  Greenwald acknowledges that this is “just speculation,” and offers no evidence to back his allegation. In other words, he is, by his own admission, using scuttlebutt and gossip rather than facts.

Greenwald does produce a memo Halperin wrote on June 22 (two days after Obama came out in support of the bill) to “interested parties” expressing his opinion that the bill was the best possible compromise available.  To be clear, Halperin does express his support for the bill.  But he also says the following:

In my view the service providers who assisted the government in violation of FISA should not be granted immunity. The original FISA legislation clearly provided that the companies were only to cooperate pursuant to the provisions of the law. The service providers should have had no reasonable doubt that the requests from the administration to provide support outside of the statute was both illegal and unconstitutional. The current court cases should be allowed to proceed unhindered by the Congress.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement.  Greenwald chooses not to highlight it.

If that weren’t enough, Greenwald later added a postscript to his piece:

Several people have emailed to complain — correctly — that I was remiss in failing to note that Mort Halperin is the father of the incomparably execrable Mark Halperin, formerly of ABC News and now of Time. My apologies for the oversight. If there is any system more nepotistic and incestuous than our Beltway political and media institutions, I don’t know what it is.

So Greenwald would have us believe that the father should be held accountable for the supposed sins of the son, and vice versa, and that Mark Halperin’s success is based entirely on his “famous” father.  I don’t know Mark Halperin.  I have no idea how he got his first job in Washington.  But I’m guessing that his subsequent success just might be based on his own achievements and not because of his dad.

So in sum, Greenwald uses what at best could be called a mix of circumstantial evidence and gossip to condemn someone who has long championed the very causes that Greenwald professes to support.  He does so because Halperin happens to differ with him on a single issue.  If Greenwald was in court, his case wouldn’t stand.  But he’s not in court.  He’s online.  And somehow he has come to regard that as a free ticket to impugn a good man’s character.

Next time, he should try sticking to the facts.

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  1. 1 On August 15th, 2008, Matt Stoller said:

    Instead, Greenwald merely says that Halperin worked in the Nixon Administration, which in the insular world of progressive blogs, will be read as an indictment.

    I find it ironic that you smear progressive blogs as insulated and uneducated (as if we don’t know Mort Halperin’s role in the Nixon administration) when you pretend as if Mark Halperin’s success is totally unrelated to his father’s powerful DC position. I suppose Mark’s brother’s position at CAP is also totally unrelated. But you worked with him, so it’s all fine.

    Who’s the insular one again?

  2. 2 On August 15th, 2008, Thom said:

    While I agree that an individual signing a letter on behalf of an organization signifies support in a different way than a signature of the organization itself does, I disagree that the institutional signature does not signify that the head of an organization supports the position.

    It is one thing to say that an organization’s views are not universally endorsed by all members, but it is quite another to say that they are not endorsed by the organization’s leader. Not all Catholics agree with the Catholic Church’s position on birth control, for example, but the Pope certainly does.

    To be sure, Greenwald is making an inferrential leap here, but his is far more modest than yours. Are we to assume that the executive director–the single person with the most authority to manage both broad policy and day-to-day affairs of the organization–disagrees with significant political statements made by the organization? If he has a good faith disagreement over whether the political statements actually cohere with the organization’s goals or values, why does he not have the organization make different statements? If he disagrees with the organization’s goals or values themselves, why is he even the director?

    Greenwald’s claim on this point seems to be far more plausible than your own and no more reliant on “circumstantial” evidence about Mort’s intentions. (Circumstantial evidence, incidentally, is sufficient to convict someone in a trial, to say nothing of the court of public opinion).

  3. 3 On August 15th, 2008, Nix said:

    6 sec search with the google.
    On September 6th, 2006 Open Society Policy Center Executive Director, Morton Halperin, testified before the House International Relations Committee’s Africa, Human Rights and Global Operations Subcommittee regarding the United Nations Human Rights Council. Mr. Halperin emphasized the critical role the United Nations can play to promote human rights worldwide and that constructive American engagement and leadership is essential to the success of the new Council.

    Sad very sad if I can do a quick search and prove you wrong. What do you think is going to happen when the Glen looks this fact free ranting over?

  4. 4 On August 15th, 2008, Glenn Greenwald said:

    I’m on vacation this week and, when I return, will undoubtedly address the parts of this post worth addressing, if any. For now, permit me to note:

    (1) In the interview you claim to have listened to, I asked Mort Halperin personally whether he opposed the Bond compromise, and Mort Halperin personally (not merely his organization) said that he did oppose it:

    GG: Let me just ask you - which was the Bond compromise at the time - was a bill that was very, very abusive of core civil liberties protections, and I believe you signed on to that letter. Did you support the Bond compromise, back, that was –

    MH: No, I did not.

    Did you miss that part? That’s Halperin explicitly saying that he opposed the Bond compromise. Moreover, he was personally involved in having his organization join that letter. Your principal defense of Halperin - that only the organization of which he was the Executive Director, but not Halperin himself, opposed the Bond compromise, and therefore there’s no proof he ended up reversing his position — is, aside from being ludicrous on its face, contradicted by Halperin himself.

    (2) Halperin, who is currently a Senior Fellow at the Center for American Progress, has another son, David (Mark’s brother), and David Halperin is also employed by the Center for American Progress. I’m sure that’s also one big meritocratic coincidence.

    http://www.americanprogress.org/experts/HalperinMorton.html
    http://www.americanprogress.org/experts/HalperinDavid.html

    (3) In the midst of all your huffing and defense of your friend Mort, you neglected to address the principal point — how could he possibly have gone from (a) vehemently opposing the Bond compromise on June 9 and urging Senators to vote against it, to (b) working in secret, less than two weeks later, urging Democratic Senators to vote for a virtually identical bill, and then become a leading spokesman for that very same bill?

    It wasn’t just me — but many, many people in the civil liberties community who worked steadfastly to defeat this bill — who were both mystified and angered by Mort’s bizarre, instantaneous reversal. He had no coherent — let alone convincing — explanation for why he did that, and judging by your rant, neither do you.

  5. 5 On August 15th, 2008, Joe Klein's conscience said:

    I wanted to add to Matt Stoller’s point. Do you think Luke Russert would be reporting from the conventions, or filling in for Tony Reali on PTI(an ESPN show), if it weren’t for his family name? What about Cokie Roberts and her place inside “The Beltway”? Lets be serious here. They all got where they are because of who they are or know. As Glenn states, why did he oppose the FISA bill and then completely switch his position just a few weeks later?

  6. 6 On August 15th, 2008, Glenn Greenwald said:

    There’s another part of the interview you seemed to have missed. This:

    GG: Well, the reason I’m asking is because I’ve read the Bond compromise — that you said you opposed on June 9th– and compared it to the final bill that passed on July 9th that you said you supported, and I don’t see any differences, substantial or otherwise, in the surveillance provisions between those two bills, which is why I’m sort of confounded, as I think a lot of people are, as to why you opposed the Bond proposal, but supported the ultimate bill. What changed in the interim?

    MH: A number of things - first of all there’s the provisions requiring the inspector general’s audit. First of all, I don’t know where you say you saw a copy; we never were given an actual copy of the Bond bill. There were reports of what it said, and I think he did a press release, but I was not aware that there was an actual text. And I hadn’t gone back and looked at that and compared them in detail, but there was not the audit provision, there was still the provision that said —

    That’s Halperin trying to explain why he opposed the Bond compromise. So Halperin explicitly: (a) said he didn’t support the Bond compromise and (B) explained why he opposed it.

    Yet here you are trying to say, as your main point, the exactly opposite: that Halperin himself didn’t oppose the Bond compromise — it was only the organization of which he was Executive Director that did. Not even Halperin denied that he opposed the Bond compromise. To the contrary, he admitted he did, and even tried to offer reasons why.

    Are you sure you read the interview? Here’s the link for it - you should probably read it again, a little more slowly. Your central point is explicitly contradicted - twice - by Halperin himself.

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/radio/2008/08/13/halperin/index2.html

  7. 7 On August 15th, 2008, bystander said:

    Alright; point taken. Greenwald failed to mention that Mort Halperin was 8th on Nixon’s enemies list, had his phone tapped for 21 months, that Halperin leaked information to the NYT, or that Halperin sued Nixon and won. Now that you mention these items, I’m doubly suspicious of Halperin’s support for the so-called FISA compromise. If it didn’t make sense that the former head of the Washington ACLU would support a piece of legislation that the national organization opposed before, it makes even less sense now. If it seemed odd that Halperin was the executive director of the OSPC, and the OSPC would oppose the amendment promoted by Kit Bond on June 9, and then Halperin, individually, would support equivalent legislation on July 8, it’s particularly odd now. You have made the disparity - the inconsistency - of Mr. Halperin’s previous positions on civil liberties and his current position in relation to FISA even more glaringly discordant than they were.

    It would seem to me that Mr. Halperin’s entire defense of his choices “then,” versus his choices “now,” lies in this element of the interview.

    Halperin: “Everybody understood what the alternative was, and the majority leader of the House explained it very carefully on the House floor. A majority of the members of the House were ready to vote for the original Senate bill, which was far worse than the Bond compromise. They were ready to vote for that, they would have signed a discharge petition to bring that bill to the House floor if they were told the negotiations had failed.”

    It is possible, that Mr. Halperin felt obligated to respond with his editorial given what he perceived as the circumstances evolving on the ground as he’s described in the quote above. It could then be viewed as pure pragmatism. However, you have failed to answer the question as to why Mr. Halperin felt this obligation, when Mr. Halperin could have easily remained mute on the subject, thereby, leaving himself immune to any speculation at all. Why did Halperin write the op-ed? What was the point?

    You may have succeeded in accusing Glenn Greenwald of making thinly supported inferences, but you’ve still failed to exonerate Mort Halperin. Ergo, I continue to view Mr.Halperin’s memo with a cynical eye. I continue to wonder what’s in it for Halperin. And, in the absence of a more compelling counter-argument/counter-narrative, Greenwald’s inferences continue to seem plausible to me. They hold at least as much water as, But, my God, look at Halperin’s past record., which is the best you’ve been able to offer, so far.

  8. 8 On August 16th, 2008, Mac G said:

    I read this post and initially thought that I could not wait for Glenzilla to get back from his vacation to shred it apart. Lucky me and for everyone as it did not take long for Glenn to tear your arguments apart in the comments section.

    Charles, your arguments seem based in the fact that you know Mort and he is a good guy so he would NEVER support a bad bill or compromise long held convictions for personal gain to provide cover for a political candidate. This is not behavior Mort would partake in because well, you worked with Mort and he leaked the Pentagon papers.

    This is the same type of argument that the political media gives to cover up McCain’s never ending screw ups on simple foreign policy issues. To paraphrase their excuse laden mantra: “We all know McCain’s strength is national security and foreign policy so the simple slip up should not hurt him.”

    Brit Hume famously called McCain’s faulty knowledge on the differences between Sunni/Shia a “McCain senior moment.”

    Any Dem or progressive following this campaign watch in wonder as McCain being tortured 30 years ago somehow gives him extra knowledge or equips him with some special character to be president. The media gives him a free pass on foreign policy criticism and his record from being exposed because well, “the media has known John McCain” for years.

    Since Mort was on Nixon’s enemies list, his puzzling reversal on the FISA bill should not be questioned or his motives explained in detail. Why the hell not?

    He does have impressive credentials and I am sure he is a great guy. Totally irrelevant when it comes to his solo ACTIONS in the FISA bill.

    I still would not trash talk Michael Jordan in his elder age in a game of one and one. Your picking a fight with Glenzilla is like challenging Phelps to jump in a pool. Not a Good Idea.

  9. 9 On August 16th, 2008, Casual Observer said:

    Halperin’s experiences with the Nixon Administration make his 180-degree turn on FISA more damning, not less. He himself had been victimized by government abuse of bedrock fourth amendment rights, and yet he came out in favor of a bill which will–without question–lead to more abuse.

    WHY did he change his views? Halperin’s own statements in the interview fail to explain his actions. Halperin’s move has made him the poster-boy for those seeking cover on the FISA issue. As a poster-boy, Halperin (and his friends) should not expect a free pass. He was a significant part of the effort to gut the Fourth Amendment–he should expect to be called to account. Actions–particularly hypocritical ones–have consequences.

    It is my hope that Greenwald will revisit this topic more than once, highlighting Halperin’s role.

  10. 10 On August 16th, 2008, Dominion said:

    Hello? Hello? Anyone home? Is this thing on?

    I am just wondering if you ever intend to answer the substantial criticisms to this post? Or are you ok with leaving your mendacity on display for all to see?

    Just wondering!

  11. 11 On August 16th, 2008, Charles J. Brown said:

    Dominion,

    I’m happy to respond to any and all comments. It was my intent to wait until Monday or Tuesday, so as many folks as possible had the chance to comment. But since you ask, I’ll reply now.

    The first thing I would note is that most commenters appear to be under the mistaken impression that I agree with Halperin on FISA. As I noted near the beginning of my post, I do not. But I believe that there is a fundamental difference between disagreeing with someone on the merits of an issue and calling him names. Had Greenwald devoted his post to outlining how Halperin was wrong, I would not have taken issue with what he said.

    But he did not. Instead, he played a game of gotcha over what Halperin did and did not say. And in doing so, he got some of his facts wrong. In addition, he made a series of comments questioning Halperin’s character. My dispute with Greenwald was not his decision to criticize Halperin, but rather the manner in which he did so.

    In his subsequent comments on this post, Greenwald points out several instances in the Salon Radio interview where Halperin acknowledged that he opposed the Bond compromise before he ultimately supported the final bill. Greenwald is correct in saying that I did not cite those, and he is right in saying I should have acknowledged them.

    But I find it interesting that Greenwald chose not to use Halperin’s replies in his original piece. They may have been unconvincing, as Greenwald argues, but he should have at the very least quoted — and challenged — them before attacking Halperin for alleged careerism. Again, that looks more like a game of gotcha than it does a debate on the merits.

    Greenwald is well within his right to question Halperin on his opinion, and even to question his motivation. But that does not justify the use of gossip, speculation, and innuendo to mount ad hominem attacks on Halperin’s character. I would appreciate hearing from Greenwald about why he found it necessary.

    The irony here is that, as I acknowledge in my original piece, Greenwald is on the right side of the issue. I am sure that he could build a case that could counter Halperin’s position point by point. Given that, why spend time instead mocking hiss motivations? Wouldn’t it be more effective to deconstruct his arguments?

    For those, including Greenwald, who argue that I have defended nepotism because I criticized Greenwald’s attack on Halperin’s son Mark (and now son David), I make the same point I did in my original piece: it’s irrelevant to the question at hand. It’s a straw man. Neither Greenwald nor anyone else, as far as I’m aware, took Halperin or his sons to task on this until Halperin changed his position on FISA.

    Am I unhappy that Halperin came out in support of FISA? Yes. Do I believe that it reflects some defect in his character worthy of mockery, as Greenwald does? No. And that is the fundamental difference in our positions.

  12. 12 On August 16th, 2008, The Ominous Fore said:

    On the picking of nits, I don’t believe the following is correct:

    Greenwald never mentions any of this. He doesn’t say that the information Halperin allegedly leaked to the NYT was the Pentagon Papers.

    The Pentagon papers were released in 1972, while Halperin was surveilled starting in 1969. Halperin was suspected of being the source of a NYT story revealing US bombing campaigns on Cambodia: see here.

  13. 13 On August 16th, 2008, Charles J. Brown said:

    Ominous Force,

    I stand corrected on what it was that Halperin allegedly leaked. I’ve changed the piece to make it accurate.

  14. 14 On August 16th, 2008, Kitt said:

    “But I find it interesting that Greenwald chose not to use Halperin’s replies in his original piece. They may have been unconvincing, as Greenwald argues, but he should have at the very least quoted — and challenged — them before attacking Halperin for alleged careerism. Again, that looks more like a game of gotcha than it does a debate on the merits.”

    I already posted about this. Either you deleted it or I messed up with the squiggly letter thing that your blog uses.

    Greenwald linked to Halperin’s NYT op-ed in the very first sentence of his introduction to the interview. So, why are you basically faulting Greenwald for not copy and pasting the whole thing? Anyone who wanted to read Halperin’s op-ed in full was given the opportunity to do so. And Halperin could have repeated any of it that he might have chosen to repeat during the interview.

    Greenwald invited Halperin on to answer any questions or to state anything he might have chosen to state about his position, and why he chose to do what he had done. Halperin chose to run off once he discovered that he would actually be challenged and have to deal with follow up questions from Greenwald. How is that Greenwald’s fault?

  15. 15 On August 16th, 2008, Awktalk said:

    I have a question. If Obama does win the presidency, and Halperin is given a high-level appointment within his administration, will you Charles, revisit this post and apologize for your attack on a position that proved you wrong and Greenwald correct? Or will you just dismiss this as “coincidence”?

  16. 16 On August 16th, 2008, Awktalk said:

    Am I unhappy that Halperin came out in support of FISA? Yes. Do I believe that it reflects some defect in his character worthy of mockery, as Greenwald does? No. And that is the fundamental difference in our positions.

    How is Greenwald “mocking” Halperin’s character? I just don’t see it, and just because you claim these are “ad hominen attacks” doesn’t make it true. Halperin had no explanation for his actions, and glaring contradictions in his statements and position bookending a conspicuous date in which the Obama campaign made known their own change in position. He mysteriously changes his position and when asked why, doesn’t provide an answer.

    So if Halperin refuses to provide a reasonable explanation for this change in position and when Greenwald gives him ample opportunity to do so, how is it that Greenwald’s pointing out of an obvious potential motivation “mocking” his character? How do you take that and turn it into an “ad hominem” attack?

    Ad hominem:
    1. appealing to one’s prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one’s intellect or reason.
    2. attacking an opponent’s character rather than answering his argument.

    Where is any of this, other than in your accusation in the post? Where is the attack on character in order to discredit the claim rather than disputing the claim itself? Halperin doesn’t even provide an argument, therefore it is impossible to characterize Greenwald’s speculation for this non-answer as and “ad hominem attack”.

    All you’ve done is thrown that term out there, and made the accusation, without providing any evidence as such. In fact the irony here is that what YOU are doing is making “ad hominem” attack, not the other way around.

    This is no different than the way the right operates, when the president says enough times that “we don’t torture”, well then, we must not torture. Even though there is ample evidence, photographic evidence, that we do torture.

  17. 17 On August 16th, 2008, James said:

    Charles,

    I appreciate your responding to your commenters. But I’d like to ask that you back up what you say here:

    “But that does not justify the use of gossip, speculation, and innuendo to mount ad hominem attacks on Halperin’s character. ”

    Exactly where did GG use “gossip, speculation and innuendo” and “ad hominem attacks”? Please point those out. Did Greenwald use tough arguments? Yes, his piece was tough but accurate and based on public record and the interview. He didn’t get personal, but was making the case based on Halperin’s own actions. You apparently don’t know what “ad hominem” means.

    Your lament about “ad hominem” sounds like whiny rightwingers when they run out of arguments and are backed into a corner. You have not made the case that GG’s post was unfair in any way. Was it tough on your friend? Yes, and in my opinion, deservedly so. You have not made the case that it was any kind of “hatchet job.”

    But you DC insiders probably need to come out of your cozy little circles and face the real world and your critics who are fed up with the compromises that you have made and continue to make with the extreme right wing. In that, your blog is a good first step. So I commend you for that.

    Here’s a little gem that applies to you and your friend Halperin as well:
    //”She’s a bit of a fool that’s the only thing you can say,” said Rep. Neil Abercrombie. ” Don’t forget Cokie Roberts and the whole Washington crowd live in a kind of an incestuous relationship to one another, they talk to one another, they see one another, they know nothing about ordinary people.”//
    Think about it.

  18. 18 On August 16th, 2008, grix grix said:

    I love Greenwald, but he does tend to engage in this kind of aggressive and often ad hominem attack. IMHO, he believes its justified and necessary because mainstream media have been, to be unduly generous, less than rigorous in their pursuit of certain very important stories. In Greenwald’s view, the institution of journalism needs to be redefined and shooken up, which is an opinion I share.

    But there are a couple of factors which exacerbate his often inappropriate tone: My understanding is that he is relatively new to politics and is still learning the ropes of political activism and effective discourse. This, of course, is a very difficult time to do that, since the very rights that we have long taken for granted in that area are rapidly becoming endangered or rendered moot by biased corporate media. His attitude also creates a certain amount of polemic around his discourse which also, I think has vaulted him to popularity, and is reflected in the very sour and reactionary tone of his comments section overall.

    Thus as he matures as an activist, he will have difficulty leaving behind the aggressive posturing that has created his popularity. But I believe that he is at his best when he sticks to the facts, which are generally devastating enough. In the areas in which he has been effective, it has been his incredible research, writing and analysis which have sealed the deal. Hopefully, he will come to realize that.

  19. 19 On August 16th, 2008, freejack said:

    On August 16th, 2008, grix grix said:
    “I love Greenwald, but …….ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz”

  20. 20 On August 17th, 2008, ann_meyer said:

    I started reading Greenwald during the Anthrax debacle a couple of weeks back and was impressed, and I came to your blog via this so called debate over the Halperin interview. I had never heard of either of you before. You both seem to be doing good work, so I don’t understand what could possibly motivate either of you to engage in this kind of lowball. It reminds me of the rap ‘feuds’ that the music industry invents to promote their artists and distinguish them from the endless multitude of those just like them. Is that what’s going on? Trying to cut through the clutter. If so, its pretty disappointing. Is this really the only way that two adult career professionals can debate an issue? By insulting each other? This is like reading the graffiti in a bar toilet, the only thing missing is the use of phallic imagery and mention of each others’ mothers.

    I also sincerely hope that the comment left here by “Glenn Greenwald” is a fake. It sounds like it was written by a jilted teenage boy, not someone who I would trust to investigate the very serious issues facing our country.

  21. 21 On August 17th, 2008, A.D. Hominem said:

    Undiplomatic Charlie,

    In your Ode to Mort you suggest that Glenn Greenwald should try sticking to the facts in the future, while you may have “accidentally” omitted a few key facts of your own. Let’s quickly review.

    You state that you 1) “know Mort”, 2) “had the opportunity to work with him at the State Department during the Clinton Administration, when I was Chief of Staff to Assistant Secretary Harold Hongju Koh in the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor (DRL) and he was Director of Policy Planning” and 3) “neither contacted nor consulted him before writing this post.” Very thorough treatment, Mr. Brown. Or is it?

    It’s my understanding that while heading Citizens for Global Solutions (formerly a world federalist group), you, along with the Washington Note’s Steve Clemons, your former CGS colleague and TWN contributor Scott Paul (http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2008/08/the_view_from_m_3/)and Don Kraus, worked VERY closely with Mort Halperin to organize and, more importantly, FUND through private contributions the Stop Bolton campaign (http://www.undiplomatic.net/2008/08/12/wonkd-why-the-un-human-rights-council-blows/). Could this possibly be true?

    If so, did you simply forget this itsy-bitsy, teeny-weeny fact? Maybe it just slipped your mind?

    If so, doesn’t your loyal reader deserve to know ALL the facts and not just the ones that “support” your poorly constructed case?

    If so, don’t your holier-than-thou ramblings ring more than just a little bit hollow?

    If so, wouldn’t it be understandable that some might view this as your currying favor with a potential employer or pandering to a potential funder?

    Here’s a bit of unsolicited advice. It might be best for you, in debates that revolve around questions of honor and integrity, not to fire rocks in your very, very fragile crystalline house.

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